Comments on: California’s Unique Resume http://www.bracketography.com/2010-california-golden-bears/ Just another teamrankings Sites site Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:44:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: NoeValleyJim http://www.bracketography.com/2010-california-golden-bears/#comment-958 NoeValleyJim Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:46:57 +0000 http://www.bracketography.com/?p=1228#comment-958 Somehow you forgot to include any teams with a 20 RPI. What is the usual seed for a conference champion with a 20 RPI? Somehow you forgot to include any teams with a 20 RPI. What is the usual seed for a conference champion with a 20 RPI?

]]> By: David Mihm http://www.bracketography.com/2010-california-golden-bears/#comment-957 David Mihm Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:12:34 +0000 http://www.bracketography.com/?p=1228#comment-957 James, SIU was 17-1 in The Valley that year...a little different than 13-5 / 12-6... James, SIU was 17-1 in The Valley that year…a little different than 13-5 / 12-6…

]]> By: Dr Bob http://www.bracketography.com/2010-california-golden-bears/#comment-956 Dr Bob Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:09:56 +0000 http://www.bracketography.com/?p=1228#comment-956 To even be debating whether Cal will get in is ridiculous. Cal's non-conference losses were to great teams Syracuse, Kansas, Ohio State and New Mexico - all away from home, so to use the Bears' 0-4 mark against top-50 teams as a negative is unfair given that all of those games were against top 15 teams away from home. Also, 3 of those 4 losses were played without unsung star Theo Robertson and the one game he did play against those great teams was a pretty competitive game at Kansas in which the Bears were down by just 5 points with 7 1/2 minutes remaining. Robertson averages 14.0 points on 50% shooting and 44% 3-pointers and is also the best defender among the starters, so not having him against Ohio State, Syracuse and New Mexico has to be a factor. Despite the poor performances in 6 games without Robertson, Cal is still ranked 18th in the Pomeroy ratings and 16th in Sagarin's Predictor rating. Cal is one of the top 25 teams in the nation with Robertson in the lineup (I'm a professional handicapper and you'd get that same assessment if you asked a Vegas odds maker), so even having this discussion is ridiculous. To even be debating whether Cal will get in is ridiculous. Cal’s non-conference losses were to great teams Syracuse, Kansas, Ohio State and New Mexico – all away from home, so to use the Bears’ 0-4 mark against top-50 teams as a negative is unfair given that all of those games were against top 15 teams away from home. Also, 3 of those 4 losses were played without unsung star Theo Robertson and the one game he did play against those great teams was a pretty competitive game at Kansas in which the Bears were down by just 5 points with 7 1/2 minutes remaining. Robertson averages 14.0 points on 50% shooting and 44% 3-pointers and is also the best defender among the starters, so not having him against Ohio State, Syracuse and New Mexico has to be a factor. Despite the poor performances in 6 games without Robertson, Cal is still ranked 18th in the Pomeroy ratings and 16th in Sagarin’s Predictor rating. Cal is one of the top 25 teams in the nation with Robertson in the lineup (I’m a professional handicapper and you’d get that same assessment if you asked a Vegas odds maker), so even having this discussion is ridiculous.

]]> By: James G http://www.bracketography.com/2010-california-golden-bears/#comment-955 James G Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:22:57 +0000 http://www.bracketography.com/?p=1228#comment-955 Let me follow up. The most comparable to Cal in my opinion? 2004 Southern Illinois. 25th in RPI, 0-2 vs. the RPI top 50. Regular season winners of the Missouri Valley (11th in conference RPI that year). Northern Iowa won the tournament, and then Southern Illinois got a #9 seed. Let me follow up. The most comparable to Cal in my opinion? 2004 Southern Illinois. 25th in RPI, 0-2 vs. the RPI top 50. Regular season winners of the Missouri Valley (11th in conference RPI that year). Northern Iowa won the tournament, and then Southern Illinois got a #9 seed.

]]> By: James G http://www.bracketography.com/2010-california-golden-bears/#comment-954 James G Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:17:03 +0000 http://www.bracketography.com/?p=1228#comment-954 David - I think those ranks from the Pomeroy archive are the Pomeroy log5 rankings, not RPI. For RPI, I think you will have to use Warren Nolan's archive. The problem with both, though, is they include the postseason. I just think Cal is wrapped up. I know they don't have any top 50 wins, but their 0-4 against the top 50 is actually 0-3 against the RPI top 10, (Syracuse, New Mexico, Kansas), plus a loss to Ohio State with Evan Turner. I just don't see how a team with an RPI ranking of 21st and an SOS ranking of 10th that's also a regular season conference champion gets left out. And you know who does get credit for top 25 win? Anybody that beat Cal, including Arizona State and Washington. Certainly, I don't anbyody would argue that Washington's 53rd ranking in RPI but 2-2 against the top 50 is better than Cal's 21st ranking, but 0-4 against the top 50. Yet, it seems like non Pac-10 teams with resumes similar to that of Washington or Arizona State are considered superior to Cal. David – I think those ranks from the Pomeroy archive are the Pomeroy log5 rankings, not RPI. For RPI, I think you will have to use Warren Nolan’s archive. The problem with both, though, is they include the postseason.

I just think Cal is wrapped up. I know they don’t have any top 50 wins, but their 0-4 against the top 50 is actually 0-3 against the RPI top 10, (Syracuse, New Mexico, Kansas), plus a loss to Ohio State with Evan Turner. I just don’t see how a team with an RPI ranking of 21st and an SOS ranking of 10th that’s also a regular season conference champion gets left out. And you know who does get credit for top 25 win? Anybody that beat Cal, including Arizona State and Washington. Certainly, I don’t anbyody would argue that Washington’s 53rd ranking in RPI but 2-2 against the top 50 is better than Cal’s 21st ranking, but 0-4 against the top 50.

Yet, it seems like non Pac-10 teams with resumes similar to that of Washington or Arizona State are considered superior to Cal.

]]> By: John http://www.bracketography.com/2010-california-golden-bears/#comment-953 John Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:58:16 +0000 http://www.bracketography.com/?p=1228#comment-953 I don't think the Committee would ever leave a regular season power conference champion home under any circumstances. I don’t think the Committee would ever leave a regular season power conference champion home under any circumstances.

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